Why do liberals think government is the answer?

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Last time I checked, governments historically have always failed and the people failed with them. Soviet Russia, Nazi Germany, Rome, etc…

If a business fails, the country doesn’t fail, no tax payer is effected, only the employees and the owners.

Not to mention everything even liberals purchase like cars, food, clothes, homes, etc… are all purchased on the freedom of which product in that category they like. The government never dictated which ones consumers should buy, everyone picks what they feel like is the best.

Think about it, health care was never a free market. Medicare and Medicaid ruined the chance of a free market to establish for insurance companies. If medicare and medicaid didn’t exist, health insurance would be like auto insurance, it’s cheap, affordable, and efficient. Medicare/Medicaid, limit insurance companies to give plans to people of low income, since medicaid gives it out, and the middle class doesn’t qualify for medicaid, and the insurance company can’t give out a reasonable quote since it has nothing of low value to compare too. Example: McDonalds dollar menu burger is the cheapest, but the better quality burger places will sell theirs at a higher value, but not extremely high because the dollar menu burger is so cheap, causing them to be regulated by competition. Plus consumers dictate on what they’re willing to purchase.

Not to mention auto insurance rewards good drivers, because it gives their customers the incentive to be less of a liability to them. Example: Good Drivers discount, good student discount. If health insurance companies can be in any state, with out medicare and medicaid existing, they probably would reflect the same results as auto insurance, they probably would give a good health discount, because healthy customers cost them less, it also encourages the user to be healthy. Everyone essentially wins.

There is a reason why Costco pushes so much for such low prices, health care can be the same if it was 100% private sector. Wal-Greens is the biggest franchised drug distributor in America, I’d love to see a giant franchised health care system doctors can manage.
Government keeps order, police, fire fighters, military, and so fourth can’t be a business, it can never generate income.
Deb M: You’re so ignorant it baffles my mind, THE CONSUMER decides which company survive, if a company has bad ethics and out put, it can’t survive because no one will purchase their product/service.

HEALTH CARE IS NOT A FREE MARKET, Medicare and Medicaid are acting as insurance company’s giving out the service for free. It kills the market of being free. A CEO DESERVES to be rich because they manage the company, their pay is determined on the company’s success, A CEO can’t make millions if the company doesn’t generate that value, So the CEO wants to be successful, he wants his staff to do well, he wants it all to do great because his pay is determined by their out put, if he abuses his employees their out put will be poor and his pay result will be poor. You’re ignorant to think CEOs care about money only, it takes success to be there.
Kaitoboado [blocked by many]: ALL those countrys you list, tell me who has a better GNP, then tell me why those people of those shitty poverished nations stride to risk coming over the border to come here. Yeah that’s great Cuba has free health care, that’s so awesome, they make little rafts, and risk dying, leaving their socialistic society because AMERICA gives them the freedom to be anyone they want to be. That socialistic society never let them be anyone they wanted to be. They get taxed so hard their incentive to independently be some one is killed.

THE PUBLIC OPTION EXISTS, it’s called MEDICARE and MEDICAID, just only people of low income or elderly can qualify for it. Those two sections hurt Insurance Companies on giving them options, insurance companies have no value and have to make theirs up from people who aren’t poor, that’s why it is expensive.
Deb M: You’re also an idiot since stock holders are paying money to be part owner (Depending on how many stocks exist) and that money is put into the company to invest on the company’s out put. That money doesn’t go to the CEO, it goes to the company to help it expand or what ever is needed for grow.

You assume and assume. The Public Option will kill insurance companies to extinction, If you had a public option for every product sold, everything would become government owned and we would become communists. You’re so selfish to be greedy and demand tax payers pay for everyone. If we kill Medicare and Medicaid, the insurance companies will want to sell health care to those people. Why would they want to kill their market and not? I mean come on this is the stupidest conversation I’ve ever endured.





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6 Responses to “Why do liberals think government is the answer?”

  1. Return of Bite My Shiny Metal... Says:

    It is what one should expect from a collection of societal parasites.

    The answer from Deb M below makes no sense. If she doesn’t want to support the CEO’s of a particular company, then she has the option of not buying from that company or using their services. The public option forces me, via confiscatory taxes, to support her health care. Personally, I don’t care if she lives or dies, her health care is not my responsibility. Relying on others to take care of ones existence is nothing more than parasitism, just like leeches and ticks.

  2. danielm Says:

    Government is the answer. It’s what the people in Government do that matters. Without it, there would be chaos.

  3. Deb M Says:

    Why do you people think we should spend our money on supporting the million dollar salaries of the CEOs…the useless lobbyists and pay the stockholders? Do you like being ripped off? Do you like Wall street dictating who can have health care? Are you unaware that this has been going on since 1996 and the republicans have done nothing?

    Do not dictate to me who I can use for health care…you take wall street…I’ll take the public option. I don’t want my money supporting greed.

    And even though this debate is ongoing in congress…my insurance is going up 16 percent…what will it be next year when these greedy people get their way…25 percent?

    You should listen to Windell Potter…and why he left Humana!

  4. Incognito Says:

    I think the government would work better if Wall Street was out of it.

  5. Kaitoboado [blocked by many] Says:

    Last time you checked, I guess you only looked at failed nations. See China, Canada, Germany, England, Sweden, Finland, Australia, India.

    Edit: Sure…look at the GNP for one of the highest-populated countries on earth. Of course you’ll win…
    If you look at GDP per capita, all those countries are very close to the US, and I’d hardly call any of them impoverished and running towards the US. They ALL have far less debt owed than the US does.

    As a former Canadian resident, it pisses us all off when you guys illegally buy our tax-compensated meds.

    And lastly, I said nothing about Cuba. Again, you’re only mentioning failed countries.

  6. jeff m Says:

    The idea of people earning what others are willing to pay in a free market is alien and repugnant to them

    Look at who they are.
    -Govt. workers, lawyers, activist orgs, welfare types – they milk the system, we have no choice in paying them.
    – union workers. they get a monopoly deal on wages, set by politics.
    – most of the very wealthy. Why should they put up with unsightly industry and crowding at places like vail? And they’re good at dodging taxes, but want to feel like they are helping.
    -young people. want “fair pay”, not what others are willing to pay them.

    They are not after actual cost reductions with this health care stuff. They just need more people relying on the government, to assure winning future elections, despite their stupid greed and counterproductive policicies.

    But there’s limits to how hard they can milk the productive. Black marketing and bartering and every form of tax evasion are a natural result of big government. Barter became very popular in the 70s.

    I have hopes that the internet can expedite barter and trade to the point where productive people don’t need their crappy paper money. No profits, no taxes, let them print all the worthless paper they want to pay each other. We just need a way that (for example) I can help my “freind” reroof his house, in exchange he gives me groceries that he gets at cost from his employer. Now if there was a system of exchanging “help of freinds”, and nobody shows a profit?

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